HMM seeing as I only got 1 response from where I actually posted this 'argument' I may have posted in the wrong section/thread so I'm opening it up for discussion here!!...
OK here goes:
5.7. 3D Renders or Illustrations as Source: Using other people's 3D renders or illustrations (even with permission) creates a false impression of your artwork. So 3D renders or illustrations can not be used as sources, unless they are entirely created by yourself.[/quote]
Whats the view on complex brushes that are freely available? I'm personally of an opinion that using other peoples 'pre made' brushes is a grey area here that should really be addressed, as in some cases these too can fall under other peoples illustrations (in terms of vector brushes) but my main argument for not allowing these pre made brushes is this:
when using brushes which are defined from an image... for example a cloud (which seems to be a favourite for some!)... a link is submitted for the download section for that brush... BUT... the brush was made from an image... so it hasn't actually linked to the source... just the result... For all you know the brush could have been made from a copyrighted image... and seeing as you never see the original image that's where the problem lies...
I think the use of any complex brush (by complex I mean defined by image or illustration['define brush preset'] ) which is downloaded should be considered a breach of the rules... and if such a brush is to be used; that the author make that brush - submit the original source image uncut in his/her sbs, (as you are required when using your own source images) and possibly include the breakdown of the construction of that brush as proof (as clouds are hard to distinguish apart)...
Also in many instances the use of these pre made brushes aren't necessary when a source image could be used instead... with better results.
Anyway, I would be interested to see what others think...
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My personal feelings are that rule 5.7 also applies to brushes. Any premade illustrations and 3D renders used to make these kind off brushes should be handled as a part of rule 5.7 and should therefor from now on not be allowed anymore.
As for brushes made from images like clouds, stars and so on, that is another problem. Since the original images are not mentioned in most of those brushes and the origin of those original images most of the times are dubious they shouldn't be allowed.
There's enough legal sources outthere to replace those brushes so that is no reason to not start banning them. Furthermore it is pretty easy to make stars and so on yourself, using a brush for them is just a shortcut.
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I share Rob's opinion .
Maybe there would be more response if -as experiment- these brushes wouldnt be allowed anymore
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I could see if an image was mostly comprised of image tube brushes, but if a brush is used for a finishing touch it should be allowed. an example would be my thief entry http://www.pxleyes.com/photoshop-pictur ... hief-.html without the bubble brush I used (included with wacom tablet) the picture wouldn't of been complete. Also how far are we gonna have to go to start proving where brushes came from? Am I going to have to make an sbs for brushes I created over five years ago? Are we going to start banning some of the brushes included with photoshop, such as the grass brush or the preloaded shapes? I agree that some images overdo it on image brushes. But shouldn't their score be reflected based upon not only the final image but how they arrived at the finished entry. Many times I can tell when such brushes are used and I vote based on how they utilized that brush.
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My 2 bits ...
IMO there comes a point where you have to balance the demands for perfection with reality, acceptance and trust. Either people enter images with proper documentation or, if not, we trust those judging to vote accordingly or red flag it.
I usually make my own brushes but there are cases when I just don't have the time or it is redundant (example is the PS default ivy brush I used in Like a Moth http://www.pxleyes.com/images/contests/mixed-manipulations-5/fullsize/Like-A-Moth-4ce79de7a17a7_hires.jpg), it just didn't make sense to make something that was already there.
Then there is showing the sources for my brushes ... like Chalty said, I have older brushes that I doubt I could find the sources for (I always use my own photo's for creating my brushes it just isn't always obvious what image I used).
On average every entry I have done has had a reasonably extensive SBS (I have even shown how I created a brush) but the SBS's take time and it makes the whole process much more intensive; like jadedink said ... I have work, family and home to care for, if much more is needed then I will have more of a problem keeping up.
I respect the need for the SBS a great deal! I respect that most of the people on this site are aware of the work involved in creating an image, as such I appreciated their comments, critiques and suggestions. It is one of the reasons I really like this site but I do think this is taking it just a little too far. Perhaps, as Rob said, brushes that are obviously pre-made illustrations and 3D render based could be disallowed. Going beyond that may be pushing the demand for perfection too far.
And finally ... a number of entries (including advanced ones) don't have an SBS ... or only have the bare minimum! Some of these have even placed in the top 3. Perhaps work should be done on defining when a SBS is required, when it isn't and how extensive it should be (and enforcing that rule) before making the whole process even more demanding thus making people more reluctant to create them.
Okay so it was more than 2 bits worth ... but there you go!
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